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Billie Jean Dunn speaks on Bring Them Home Now - BlogTalkRadio - March 2, 2011 - Transcript
Part 1
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/bringthemhomenow/2011/03/03/bring-them-home-now--exclusive-billy-dunn-speaks-out-maybe-for-the-last-time
[Timestamp 7:40]
Host: Hi Billie, how are you
BJD: Hi, I'm all right
Host: please speak up a little bit.
BJD: okay
Host: We've been watching in the news. There's been some information about some things found on the computer and a thumb drive. Can you tell me what was found on that computer?
BJD: umm.. I did see some of the images because I asked to. umm.. The computer wasn't mine, wasn't in my house but I was still allowed to see some of it. There was pornography on there - adult, and there was sickening stuff on there. There was bestiality on there. umm.. and again, that was not my computer. I don't have a computer. The thumb drive, when they took that out of the home, that was the first time I had seen that umm.. They told me it was found in Shawn's dresser, so I said okay it must be Shawn's, and then Friday umm.. when I asked them if I could see some stuff, I, I don't know everything that was on that. But I do know myself, and Shawn: and our private lives in the bedroom. We were on there. I do know that. Umm.. And like I said, I don't know of anything else.
Note the difference between "house" and "home"
The computer was not in her "house" (my house)
The thumb drive was taken out of the "home" (the home)
Note that she clarifies the "pornography" with the word "adult." The reader should question why the need to clarify the pornography as "adult" and look for child pornography as withheld information.
"and there was sickening stuff on there" may be the withheld information.
Note that she asked to see "some stuff"; she does not know "everything" which indicates that she may know much.
"And like I said, I don't know of anything else" is to say to stop the flow of information; there is no purpose to asking any more questions. She has told all: "pornography, adult", bestiality and "our private lives in the bedroom" is all she knows.
Is this truthful? Is this all she knows? When someone wishes the flow of information to cease, it is an indicator that there is more information to be obtained. It is difficult for someone to say "I don't know anything else" when it is unknown what the interviewer might ask. This sentence raises the suspicion: does she know more? We do not have to wait to find out.
Host: Okay And when you say out of the home which are you speaking?
BJD: I'm sorry
Please note that this is the first time that the words "I'm sorry" enter her vocabulary
Host: You said taken out of the home.
BJD: Yeah the thumb drive was.
Host: Who's home are you talking of?
BJD: Mine that was at my house. It was in Shawn's dresser.
Note that pornography taken out was from "my house" with the additional information of "Shawn's dresser"
Host: Did you see any child porn?
BJD: No, not on that one. Then, I didn't look at all the images either, but I did not.
Host: You didn't see any child porn on that. Did you see any child porn?
BJD: I saw an image from the computer. Yeah.
Host: On what computer?
BJD: The one that wasn't in my house. I've said it before, but I don't really want to point fingers at her. I don't believe she was looking at it either
Host: I'm confused. You say her, who is she?
BJD: The lady's computer.
Host: Okay, got it. What is a thumb drive?
BJD: umm.. I'm not real sure myself umm.. So I don't mess around with computers. It's apparently like a memory stick. You can download images onto that and save pictures onto that. And I guess just plug it into any computer.
Host: In the news, they are saying that person may be Shawn's mother?
BJD: Yeah.
Host: Can you describe Shawn for us?
This is a good question and allows the subject to choose her own words and her own priority:
BJD: Shawn's always been really good to me. The Shawn that I know has treated me very well. He's treated the kids well. We've had arguments but he's never been physically abusive toward me. He's treated me better than anyone else had. He's done a lot for me.
1. Note that first in her priority: Shawn's always been really good to her.
2. The Shawn I know indicates that there is a Shawn she does not know.
3. He's treated the kids well.
Note the difference between how he has been towards her (mentioned first, as priority) compared to the kids:
To her: "always been really good"
To kids: "well"
Note that Shawn was never physically abusive to her. These leads to two questions:
Was he abusive to her other than physical abuse?
Was he physically abusive to another?
Note that in her answer to the question to describe Shawn Adkins, the subject uses the word "me" five times.
Host: Can you describe Hailey for us?
BJD: Hailey is bubbly. She is loud. She's a blast to be around. She catches her attitude sometimes but for the most part she is a really good kid, very smart, just very fun, she likes to have fun, we like making each other and other people laugh. We like to laugh around here. We haven't been able to do much of that.
Note subtle disparagement of victim: "catches her attitude sometimes"
Note that "we" is used about making each other and people laugh, and "we" like to laugh around "here";
who is "we"?
The question is asked because "we haven't been able to do much of that" with the key word "much"
Host: Describe your home life for me?
BJD: Right now or before Hailey went missing?
Host: before
BJD: umm.. I, I thought and I had even told some family, that my life was finally on track. It was finally perfect. umm.. I had a good relationship with Shawn, we had a good relationship with the kids, we were able to get em what they wanted for Christmas. We were able to go on trips umm.. Everybody had just been getting along well for the past six months before Hailey went and disappeared, before she disappeared. And I just really thought my life was finally good.
Note hyperbole of "perfect"
Note the blame: "everybody had just been getting along well...before Hailey went and disappeared" This is a strong indication that what caused Hailey to disappear, in the mind of the subject, is Hailey's fault.
Host Was CPS involved with your family?
BJD: No, they weren't before.
Host: Are they now?
BJD: Well, I take that back. ehem. They were and then they were quickly dismissed everything. Clint was upset because David marked on himself with something I had brought home from the hospital in my pocket. And it's like, It looks like a match stick but it will stain your skin and Clint called for that reason. I called on him for other reasons. So, I'm sorry about that.
Note that "David marked on himself" with something she brought home "in my pocket"
Clint reported that she had stolen medical equipment and that the subject burned a home made tattoo of "tap out" on David's shoulder. Here, she blames David.
Note the additional words "in my pocket" suggests more than just bringing something home, but theft.
Note her retaliatory remark: "I called on him"
Note the second time the subject has used the words "I'm sorry"
Host: Did they ever interview Hailey?
BJD: Yep they did. They interviewed both of the children and myself and Clint and people in his family at his house and they found that nothing was wrong in our home.
Note that it is not "my home" but "our" home when "nothing was wrong"
Host: How often did they interview Hailey?
The host is seeking to learn how many times child protective services investigated the subject
BJD: They only interviewed her once I believe, once or maybe twice.
Host: Do you know where Hailey is?
This is an important question which is a "yes" or "no" question. The proper answer is "no" and if asked why she should be believed, the proper response is "I told you the truth."
For a deceptive answer, we will view if any words follow the denial of "no" with each word being important and weakening the response:
BJD: No, I sure wish I did. She's my daughter. I just need my daughter home. I mean I get really tired of people running their mouths the way that they do. She's my daughter. She's not.. We all care about missing children and we all owe it to missing children to care about em to look for em. But she's my daughter. I want her home. I didn't get enough years with her. I want somebody to find my daughter. I can't do it by myself and I just want everybody to be looking for her. I want investigators to find her. I want her found.
We take note of every word after the word "no"
Please note that "I wish I did" is weak as it is unnecessary to say. What mother would need to say that she "wishes" she knew where her child was?
Yet, she does not say "I wish I did" which is weak, but weakens it even further with the emphasis of "I sure wish I did"
For the mother of a missing child to need to say she "wishes" is unnecessary and weak, but to "sure" wish is to weaken it even further.
Note that she does not get "really tired" searching, but gets "really tired" from people "running their mouths"
It is difficult to understand why a mother would care for anything but what her daughter is going through while missing, yet she cares about peoples' words.
Note the change from "I" to "we" as further weakening of the assertion.
Note the change from "my daughter" to the weaker "we all care" and from Hailey to "missing children" in general. This indicates a desire to water down the highly personal missing daughter to a general audience. This is the opposite of personal and is to change her acutely personal event to a wider, non personal tragedy. This distancing language is both unexpected and extreme, and attempts to portray herself as caring about children in general: it is this need to portray that is note worthy.
Note the order of progression:
She wants "somebody" to find her daughter
She wants "everybody" to be looking for her. Hailey's father complained that she refused to help search.
She wants "investigators" to find her daughter
Note the repeated theme "I want her found" as unnecessary. Via repetition, it is sensitive. Why would finding Hailey be sensitive?
Host: Do you think Shawn, might know where Hailey is?
This is another "yes" or "no" question in which we view every word after the response of "no" as important:
BJD: um I don't. I never believed that but I don't really know, I don't know anything anymore. I hope not. I didn't see it in him but maybe there's a lot of things I didn't know about him.
"I don't" is not a full sentence. Yet, if it is a denial to the question, we now look at every word that follows it.
"Never" does not mean "do not"
"but" refutes or challenges what preceded it.
She does not "really" know. When we say "I don't know" it is different than when we say "I don't really know", with the word "really" indicating that we do have some information.
Note that "I don't know anything anymore" indicates that she did know at one time, but not "anymore"; this should cause investigators to learn if Shawn moved the body.
Note again the use of "but" refuting or challenging her own denial.
Host: What makes you say that now?
BJD: umm.. Because of the computer and I don't know who looked at that and who did not and until that's proved to me, I can't risk believing anything he says. I know they'll be able to find who looked at it whenever dates and times come back.
Note that the subject sought to blame Shawn Adkins' mother regarding the child pornography.
She does not know who "did not" look at it. This is not a usual way of speaking, and may suggest that she knows more about who did look, than who did not. Who did not is an infinite number, making it the unexpected.
Host: Do you know any reason why Shawn would hurt Hailey?
BJD: Umm.. No, they'd been getting along, but I can't see why anybody would want to hurt her.
Note "but" in contrast to her denial that preceded it. Why would the word "but" be here? Why would there be any need to contradict, minimize or refute not knowing why someone might do this? This is a critical point for her.
Host: Do you believe what the police are telling you about Shawn?
BJD: Uh, yeah, I do now.
Host: Can you tell us what the police are telling you about Shawn?
Police sought to have BJD stay away from Shawn Adkins thinking early on that she may have feared him. She often reported that she was listening to police and staying away from him while she was actually with him, to the point of lying directly to police, hiding him in her home.
BJD: Oh, well, they just tell, giving me their theories why he was named a suspect. Just, you know, he was the last person to see her, he had about an hour alone with her before my son and his friend got here, he quit his job Monday. So it's, it's things like that.
Host: Are you sure nothing happened in that house between Shawn and Hailey?
BJD: umm.. I'm not 100% sure anymore. I know nothing was found here, but I'm still not 100% sure. A lot of my feelings have changed just since this weekend. I've really been standing behind him and believing that he's the person I always knew he was, but I just have a little bit of doubt now, you've gotta, I don't know if there's some doubt there how do you stand behind em.
Host: The Sunday before Hailey went missing. What happened in your house?
Follow the pronouns:
BJD: umm.. We had, I cooked Christmas dinner for us four only, because Saturday we went to everybody's house. So Sunday Hailey came. Saturday night she spent the night with Clint. So Sunday. She got to the house and we she I guess she came home around sometime around lunch and then we ate around two o'clock. I think. Pretty early in the afternoon, it was done. And then… nothin. We sat around and watched TV. We didn't go anywhere umm.. Just hung out with each other and watched movies. David had got a new connect, an Xbox connect, so he and Hailey played around with that for a little bit.
Note the order, Christmas dinner, Saturday, Sunday, Saturday night, Sunday.
Host: Did something happen with Shawn in your house that Sunday?
BJ. No
Host: So everything was fine with Hailey and Shawn ?
BJD. Yes
Host: Did Hailey have a hard time breathing?
BJD. No
Host: We have some information that Shawn has had an affair…
BJD. Yeah, umm.. I heard that too…
Host: Tell us about that.
There is an opportunity for the subject to speak about any discord that has taken place in the house. The host is looking for stressors that often come just prior to criminal acts.
This is about having an "affair"
BJD. Some of the pictures were of other women. So he finally admitted to that. He can't really admit why he did it, other than he had trust issues with me. He said he didn't completely trust me either. umm.. And I don't know. He's just hoping that I will forgive him for it, but there's much more going on.
Note "affair" is not addressed, but evidence of affairs, plural, with "pictures" and they were "other" women, also plural. "so, he finally admitted to that" indicates a disagreement or argument (fight?) prior. The affair is singular, but women is plural. Who are these "women" and would this include the victim?
He "finally
Host: Do you know how many other women there are?
BJD. No, that's, I don't.
Host: There are also rumors out there that Shawn is sending naked pictures of himself to other women?
BJD. I don't know. And again, I had heard. I don't know.
[Timestamp 23:16]
Host: Billie there a lot of women out there who have chosen bad men. This is not your fault.
BJ. I know
Host: Billie, have you spoken to Shawn today?
BJD. umm.. No. He texted me this morning.
Host: I'm really confused with your relationship with Shawn, right now.
BJD. We're not together anymore
Host when was the last time you saw Shawn?
BJD. Physically saw him was Friday. Last Friday.
Host: Last time we had you on the show you seemed very unemotional and you've really broken down a lot since then. This is starting to weigh very heavily on you.
BJD. It just seems to get tougher sometimes. I mean it's always been very bad and very hard but it definitely doesn't get any easier.
Host: What did you say was on the thumb drive and the computer?
BJD. The computer had some bestiality on it. It did have a child porn picture. umm.. It did have other adult porn on it and I told em I didn't want to see anymore. It's disgusting. It hurts my feelings for the little kids. It pisses me off that people would do that to children and on the thumb drive were Shawn and I and there were also other women on there.
Host: These other women were they with him?
BJD. They were just pictures of them, of the women, only.
Host: Does Shawn like to videotape a lot of things?
BJD. umm.. I guess so.
<Host asks listeners to remove children from the room and reads a description of bestiality.>
Host so bestiality, that is the pictures you saw on either the computer or the thumb drive?
BJD. Yeah, on the computer.
Host: Can you explain what you saw?
BJD. umm.. No, it was very disgusting and I glanced. I did not want to look. I wanted to know what was on their but it was hard to look at.
Host: Did you see the computer or the thumb drive
BJD. I saw images from both
Host: And how were those obtained?
Looking to see if the subject gave these things voluntarily or if police needed to get a search warrant. When a child goes missing, it is the expectation that the parents cooperate.
BJD. umm.. They were obtained from a computer and a thumb drive that was in my house law enforcement were able to show me what they found on there.
Host: Were the obtained through a search warrant?
BJD. Oh, umm.. yes.
Host: Why did they obtain a search warrant?
BJD. Because Hailey was missing. They needed to come search the house, take anything that they needed or wanted for any kind of evidence. So they took that thumb drive, they took Hailey's school flash drive also. They took her bed sheets. They took Shawn's mask he had been collecting. They took a poster from my bedroom. They took the true crime stories.
[Timestamp 30:15]
Host: Please talk about your love of horror movies and true crime?
BJD. Okay, I don't think I know one person who hasn't watched a horror film. Um yeah. I enjoyed them. I watch horror films and I watch comedies and that is about it. I have a large collection of both, mostly comedies but I watch horror films also. I read the true crime stories. They, they're just interesting to me. I can't understand a serial killer's mind. I can't understand it. It intrigues me. I just don't know what's going on in their brain. I don't feel it's strange.
Host: Millions of people watch these movies, correct?
BJD. Yes
Host: There is another woman Shawn has been having an affair with and she's been bragging about it all over the Internet, what do you want to say to her?
BJD. umm.. I knew about her umm.. No I don't think it's been going on anymore. It was a sexual thing. When we were split up last year, or during the summer umm.. Err I know he's asked her to leave him alone and I don't really have anything to say to the girl. Umm.. I wouldn't be proud of myself if I were her.
Host: Why did it take you two hours to call Shawn to verify she was at Mary Beth's?
BJD. I don't understand the question. It took me two hours to call Shawn to verify she was at Mary Beth's?
Host: You find out Hailey's missing - Take me through the timeline.
BJD. umm.. When I found out she was missing, I called my brother, who then got my sister-in-law to give me a ride home from work. Umm.. This is after I had already had David call Mary Beth and Clint to know that she had not been there, to know that she was missing, so when I left work I came straight to the house, seen that Hailey still wasn't here, got my cell phone, started texting her couple of friends that are in there, and then we stopped by one of the friends house and her Granny's house. Then I went to the police station. Umm.. There wasn't any time wasted. It's. Wouldn't be like her not to be at the friends house that she said she was going to be at.
Note that the one person the mother did not call is Hailey.
She did not call Marybeth.
She did not call Marybeth's mother.
She instructed her son to make calls, but she, as mother, did not attempt to make contact with her daughter.
Host: You called David and asked him to call her to come home?
BJD. Yeah, umm.. I called David. I said "Text that little girl and tell Hailey to go ahead and come home now."
Why not call Hailey? Why not call "that" little girl? Why not text her, herself?
Note that the mother made no contact, (no connection) to Hailey, herself, but brought distance in quickly. Please compare this with her description of seeing Hailey that morning before work"
She "looked like" someone sleeping.
She "did not" touch her.
Her mind was in need of easing.
This distancing is consistent as she kept herself from any contact or connection with Hailey once Hailey was dead. This continued right through to the next day and the phone connections. Mother distanced herself from daughter in all means.
[Timestamp 36:00]
Host: Lead us from there.
BJD. Within 5 minutes David called me back and said "Mom, she said Hailey wasn't there and Hailey didn't spend the night there." I said "Call your dad see if Hailey's there." umm..
Again, she keeps herself from any contact with Hailey
He let me know that Clint's phone was broken. I told him to walk over there. Clint didn't live very far away. Back then, umm.. So David walked over there, called me back and said no, Hailey wasn't there, either, and she didn't spend the night there either. I told him turn around go back to your dad's and let me talk to him.
I got on the phone with Clint, who told me "No, Hailey's not there." I said "all right, I'm coming home. I'm going to go to the police station and report her missing you call the police station and give them a heads-up. But I will go file the report and everything.
Note that mother did not make any attempts to contact daughter.
Note order: "I'm coming home." "I'm going to the police station and report her missing"
Then she got him involved by telling him to call to give them a "heads up"
She wants to make sure that she is the one who makes the report, even though she has been making David make all attempts at contact with Hailey.
umm.. then that's when I called my brother tell them I needed a ride home and he got my sister-in-law to come and get me and bring me to the house and I got the cell phone, text a couple of her friends, stopped by their house, went to the police station, reported her missing, umm.. I got back home…One of the officers came over was still talking to me at my house. David came in and said "Mom, Shawn called the phone." I told him what was going on. He said he's on way home. So Shawn got there and, I mean, the rest of the day that's where my nightmare begins. I just sat on the couch dumbfounded not really knowing what to think.
Host: Why didn't you check with Shawn to see if she was going to Mary Beth's?
This is at the point of of the "nightmare" beginning: she is asked why she would not check with Shawn
BJD. I already did Shawn told me the day before on Monday when I said "What are the kids doing?" and he said, "Hailey went to spend the night with Mary Beth."
The subject goes to the day before her nightmare begins.
Host: How did you know to tell the police what she was wearing the day she disappeared?
BJD. Cuz Shawn saw her. Shawn saw her before she left the house
Host: But couldn't she have been wearing some of Mary Beth clothes?
BJD. Not when he saw her.
This will prove important in the case if/when the remains are found: the remains may have the clothing she was reportedly wearing the night before.
Host: How long after you found out Hailey was missing, did you speak to Shawn?
BJD. It was a while. It was probably three or four hours umm.. It was because Shawn. I know I needed to let them know. But he wasn't my priority I had to look for my daughter. So I was looking for her and talking with police when he called my cell phone. And David let him know what was going on. Then he came home.
Note that this is a very sensitive statement as she gives her reason why with "because", yet:
1. She has broken sentences which indicates self-censoring, or missing information.
2. Note in the negative as very important: "he wasn't my priority" as sensitive. Was he, indeed? Or, is it sensitive because she, herself, was her top priority, and this is linked to him?
3. "I had to look for my daughter. So I was looking for her", is unnecessary, making it very important. "Looking" for one's own missing child is not something that should have sensitivity attached to it. It is natural and expected and should not even need to be said, but it is sensitive to her.
Note that she wants it known that "he called"
This question about talking to Shawn is very very sensitive to Billie Dunn and it is the cell phone records and pings that we are going to learn about in the trial.
Note that he called, but "David" let him know: She is deliberately distancing herself from Shawn Adkins during this critical period of time, via cell phone.
Why?
"Then he came home" with the word "then" being completely unnecessary indicating a jump in time.
In an interview, it would be this time period that is jumped over in which effort would be focused. Something happened, during this time period, via cell phone, that she does not want the audience to know about.
Host: Billie, why you think you failed the polygraph?
This is an opportunity for her to say "I told the truth"
1. The pronoun "I" is something she has used millions of times in life and is good at
2. Told is past tense
3. Truth is plain and easy to say.
Will she be able to bring herself to say it?
BJD umm.. I think it was because of anti-anxiety medication, umm.. Also, I know that you're now that you're now, that you should not be interrogated right before, right before a polygraph you should not be told horrible was stressful news right before a polygraph either.
She blames the medication
She blames the polygraphed.
She blames the timing.
She blames the stress.
She does not blame herself for not telling the truth, nor does she assert, "I told the truth."
Host: Were you told this after you failed the polygraph that this might have… Hampered?
One must always be careful how a question is worded as it might teach the subject how to lie:
BJD. Yes
Host: Are you willing to take another polygraph?
BJD. I am. At first I was dead set against it because, you know , I failed, I failed one when I had no reason to, when I was absolutely, positively I would pass it. But I will take another one. umm.. By, of course, by somebody completely different somebody who knows the procedure, knows how to, you know, perform it, and and make me feel comfortable. Yeah.
Here is where Billie Dunn chooses her own words to describe failing the polygraph. This is where it is expected she would say "I failed the polygraph but I told the truth."
She is unable or unwilling to bring herself to say so. She can say that she had "no reason to" and then makes the sensitive "absolutely, positively" "would" pass it.
If this portion of her answer does not convince someone of deception, I don't think that anything could. There is nothing else to say here, as an answer, other than "I told the truth" but she cannot say so.
Host: What would make you feel comfortable with that?
BJD. umm.. Just To go over the questions which they were gone over before, I would like to do it now when I'm not as stressed as I was that day, that moment. umm.. But I would like to take another polygraph umm.. So that I know none of Hailey's precious time is being wasted on me. I would feel comfortable just to get to know the polygrapher a little bit, not not even well, but, just for him to help me feel relaxed or she help me to feel relaxed and comfortable and confident.
She did not take a new polygraph. She will be asked:
1. Is your name Billie?
2. Do you know what happened to Hailey?
3. Did you cause Hailey to go missing?
4. Are you telling the truth?
5. Did you harm or kill Hailey?
6. Do you know where Hailey is?
For an innocent person, these are not questions one must take drugs before in order to pass, nor are these questions any that need time to think or prepare.
She failed the polygraph because she did not tell the truth.
It is to be expected that a parent of a missing child will be stressed out, but asking the innocent parent if they know what happened will not increase the stress.
She will do it "now" when she is not so stressed as she was "that" day.
The questions will be the same.
The machinery will be the same.
She would, however, want to get to know the polygrapher "a little bit" before hand. If the polygrapher is someone she can "get to know" (whatever that means in her internal subjective personal dictionary) and she feels that he, himself (yes, I assume male) believes her to be innocent, she thinks she can pass the test.
How should this have been handled?
Bring in a handsome group of polygraphers and have her meet them, one by one, privately, asking them questions and let her hand-pick which one it will be.
Give her the list of 6 questions to be asked and let her go over the answers in her mind. Let her take home the 6 questions and think about them. Let her do anything and everything she wants.
She will still fail the polygraph and she will find a way to blame someone, or something. She will not be able to say, "But I told the truth!"
Host: Do you love Shawn?
BJD. Ya, of course.
Host: Now that's gonna really upset a lot of people that you said that.
BJD. umm.. I just can't help it that I still love him right now. I can't turn off my feelings easily umm.. We've been together nearly 3 years. So he was a big part of my life.
The calloused answer is such a terrible insult to Hailey that the host could not refrain herself:
Host: How can you let Shawn around yourself or David when he's the only suspect in the disappearance of Hailey?
BJD. umm.. Because I very much trusted him. Very. Much. He's not around anymore just because of other reasons. And like I said, I do have a little bit of doubt now, so I can't let him be around. I can't stand behind him if I'm not 100% sure that he's innocent.
Even the cheating, affairs, porn, etc did not convince her, but the host appealed to the status of "suspect", which did not move her.
Dunn cannot fully and finally ever separate herself from Adkins unless it comes down to one testifying against the other. This is why she continues to use the word "we" in her statements concerning him.
She does not say "I broke up with him" which has "I" and "him" as far apart as can be. It is "we broke up"
Host: Is the only other reason the women that you see or the child pornography or the bestiality?
BJD. Yeah, and just talking with investigators more that believe he might've had something to do with it
The "other women", child pornography and bestiality is affirmed first and, thrown in lastly, is Hailey, or, as she says "something to do with it"...the word "it" is used.
She has portrayed the relationship as broken up, apart, and not together and not in communication. This question was thrown out to catch her:
Host: Now Billie, what did you say to Shawn today?
BJD. umm.. I'd just let him know that I need to be alone with family. I'd need time to myself so can't work things out if I don't, if I don't have answers and we can't work things out at all. It's not even a question. He knows that.
Note where in her sentence the word "we" comes in.
[Timestamp 46:40]
the host wanted more clarity:
Host: What do you intend to do with Shawn from this day forward?
BJD. umm.. I just really don't have any plans, umm.. I need answers. If I don't have answers, I can't continue, I can't continue to be with him like he wants. He can tell me all he wants that, you know, I'm not like that, you know, it wasn't me, but until I'm 100% sure on some things, I don't have any plans with him.
This is her language, yet she says he can "tell me he's not like that" and not "he can tell me he didn't do it"
If you were in her shoes, would you rather hear, "I didn't do it" instead of "I'm not like that"?
Host: Are you going to say you're not going to be with him until Hailey is found?
this was very important to one of the hosts who believed that she was truthful about being broken up with him, while she was actually with him.
BJD. I'm not going to be with him.
She did not say "I am not with him"
Was this when he was seated next to her for the program?
Host: I want you to be clear that from this day until Hailey is found -tell me in your own words?
The host wanted a promise that the mother of Hailey Dunn would not be with the suspect until Hailey is found.
For a guilty subject, Hailey is not going to be found, so she must change the wording before she commits to a promise like that:
BJD. Until Hailey is found, until it's proven to me that he had nothing to do with her disappearance, it's proven to me that he did not look at the child pornography and it's proven to me that he is not gonna cheat on me, then I will not be with him. There are several reasons, and the girl who's bragging -have at it.
Like a junior high school sociopath in training:
1 until Hailey is found" is not enough. She has other conditions:
2. it is proven that he had nothing to do with it
3. it is proven that he did not look at the child porn. Wouldn't you think it would be more about not downloading it rather than looking at it??
4. he's not going to cheat on me
Then, while her 13 year old daughter is missing, she issues her junior high adolescent challenge:
"to the girl's who's bragging, have at it."
I apologize to all the junior high school girls reading this now who are mature, serious about school and do not fit this description.
Keep in mind, this is supposed to be an innocent mother looking for her daughter yet still getting involved in juvenile peripheral matters? Does anyone think a mother of a missing child cares, in the least about anything but her child??
Host: If I got information that he was still having an affair with somebody right now. If he was chatting with somebody on myspace within the last 24 hours. What would you say to that?
BJD. I don't have anything to say to it.
not, "have at it" again?
Host: People say that you have put your children in danger by bringing a killer, a monster into your home. Tell me what you feel about it?
Seeking to get an unequivocal answer from her about Shawn Adkins is not something that will be successful. She wants to blame him to clear herself, but fears blaming him will get him to blame her.
BJD. Okay umm.. , No He's not around right now. But no I did not bring a killer around my children or put my children in danger. Why would I?. Why would any sane person do that? And again I have doubts about him and he's not here. He's not around me. He's not around my children.
Note "right now" may have been while he sat next to her.
Note questions within a statement may indicate that the subject is questioning herself, contemplating.
"Why would any sane person do that?" is to hear Billie Dunn question her own mental health status.
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